I have also seen non-Armenian spouses embrace the Armenian culture, church, food, and music. Whose fault is it now? Sorry Ani, but I disagree with many of your ideas, because they come straight from American liberalism, a cringy state to be in to say the least. It is human nature to go through assimilation may it be forced or voluntary, hence the genetic diversity throughout the world. Nevertheless, I have always had issue with comments like ?Oh, he looks so Armenian? And no matter where I am in the world, I am always on the lookout for other Armenians; it is likely a congenital defect. Repeat. Whichever way a person identifies, accept it. I tried to reason, “This guy doesn’t know any different,” but it did not ease my disappointment. The new government in Istanbul began to look on the Armenians with distrust and suspicion, because the Imperial Russian Army contained a contingent of Armenian volunteers. See comprehensive translation options on Definitions.net! But why? Furthermore, we don?t have a particular mark that identifies us as being Armenian. I personally have mixed opinions when it comes to mixed marriages, but when it comes to the ethnic identity part, our opinions critically diverge. Are you the author ofthe wonderful Armenian Cookbook? People are not routinely bilingual in the US as they are in other countries, which reflects both provincialism and cultural imperialism. Anyway, as an Armenian diasporan aching with the need to do something to change the fractured connectivity of our scattered people to the homeland, I’ve tried to make it easier to see the country more fully with technology, if you’re curious to have a closer look all over the country (we’re adding new locations constantly) have a look at Armenia360.org to learn more and see modern Armenia via google streetview technology. At the end he asked me if I was Armenian or I had learned the language! He seemingly did not speak it. As the locals said, I “saw Armenia” for what it really is… beyond Yerevan. In other words, you’ll be tacitly ignored, effectively silenced. Really? Why would you reject ANYONE who wants to be a part of our community? Some use community involvement, or choice of spouse, as a rule of thumb, while others use language ability. To be part of an Armenian Diaspora community should mean celebrating, encouraging, and creating an inclusive, mutually supportive environment for all those who show interest in Armenian culture, history, religion, etc., regardless of their involvement, bloodline, or language skills. autogol10 wrote:I have been around both races at one time or another and for the most part Armenians have an "off white" look to them, meaning they don't have that Euro look that most of the Spanish I've been around do have. There’s a difference between leftists and classical liberals, ironically we used to be thought of as “the left” and are now being framed as centrists or even (I can’t even begin to follow the twisted road of logical fallacies necessary here) right wing sympathizers. That phrase was branded onto my mind. Bravo for taking the initiative to bring this issue to the fore! excellent. Thank you for your thoughtful and heartfelt piece. This unspoken superior-inferior hierarchy among Armenians about “what makes you a good Armenian” is the same reason some friends I knew in Armenian school now do not participate in Armenian activities as adults and disassociate from identifying as Armenian. ANN ARBOR, Mich. – Dr. Kevork Bardakjian retired and became an emeritus professor of Armenian languages and literatures in May 2020 after holding the Marie Manoogian Chair of Armenian Language and Literature at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor for some 33 years. Last but not least, some of the more vitriolic comments on this article have tried to recast the subject in terms of conservatism and liberalism, as if those political terms could truly reflect the totality of one’s personal identity. The only true Armenian is one who thinks how to defeat the Turks and live in their Armenian ancestral patrimony on the Armenian plateau. For those who have all-or-nothing thinking on this subject, I guess the conclusion would be that I have sold out. Is this due to the effects of historical oppression causing flight? Scarred by war, Armenian veterans look warily to the future AFP. However, I do not consider my roots to be from there. Two interesting encounters that occurred during my trip came to reinforce the futility of associating physical appearance with ethnicity. Here I am trying to communicate with you, trying to learn, visiting this country… and you question my identity. It is in your DNA. Excellent article! NO. My own. The next day, as I was browsing a kiosque in the middle of a shopping mall, a young man who looked like the shopkeeper greeted me by saying hello. But that is going to be a slow process unfortunately because it is just not an easy project to pick up and leave everything and head into the unknown. The many Armenians whose English, French, Turkish or Russian (and several others) is their first language and Armenian a second or third is a historical reality that has been both a blessing and a curse for 3000 years. While I was in Armenia this summer, I took a taxi alone to go home from the mall. In a matter of two days, I was identified as being Turkish and Armenian. We are social beings, and that means we all strive to adhere to a group identity. Throughout the 20th century, speaking anything besides English was looked down on. Arabic Persian Armenians have long faces we have round faces. What you’re saying is simply not true. If the partner is Armenian, we feel this is great and the Armenian community will continue to thrive and grow with purebreds. Start Typing with Armenian Keyboard to type in Armenian letters by using your computer keyboard. Over 90% of my charitable contributions each year go to a variety of Armenian causes, and that figure was closer to 100% for my late parents – does that count for nothing? There is no definite way of identifying one, given the reality of global dispersal, which only makes my quest to find other Armenians more interesting. Armenian Keyboard is a virtual Armenian typing keyboard that allows you to type in the Armenian letters online without installing the Armenian Keyboard. In the process, she was observing me intently, which my friend discretely brought to my attention in Armenian. As for my own fragmented Armenian identity (YES fragmented(well it IS, and so is yours most likely), I tell the whole truth, even if I’m a cultural mutt) I am quite like Noam Chomsky on this, people should express everything even the most degrading things such as racism or homophobia, if they’re not expresssed publicly it doesn’t mean that they don’t exist privately and it also doesn’t mean that ending a conversation with a racist is the best way to fight racism. In fact I’ll be studying the Armenian language so that I can more fully participate in the experience of living what I am. That being said, what value do we want to place on other kinds of contributions people make to the life of the Armenian communities. I am always curious and eager to meet other fellow beads that come from other places and have rolled along various trajectories. We encounter many types of people. Armeno-chauvinism with respect our language is sort of passe at this point and is historically incorrect. Former participants should not need a second trip to feel they “saw Armenia” or experienced what is outside Yerevan. My answer is, I am a 22-year-old Christian Armenian-American. I immediately answered saying, ?We?re Armenian.? As a survival tactic, that makes about as much sense as having two churches. 2. Why are we categorizing others’ identities? I speak Armenian fluently, but I wasn’t born in Armenia. This can be used to indicate your departure.Step 3, Ask "How are you? " or Eench bes ess/eq? Go visit Artsakh in 360! I am Armenian-American as well and I find it very troubling that so many of us are struggling with our identity and for me one of the most difficult things is not knowing hardly anything about our beliefs and our people. And that phrase has become the backbone of my motivation to be involved in all that has made me what I am today. A famous traveler of the 13th century Marco Polo, after his trip to Lesser Armenia, told that Armenians and Greeks once created the most delicate and exquisite carpets. noo they don't have Mexican in them nor do they look Mexican. I cannot speak for other countries, but I know in the United States, historically speaking, Armenian communities generally revolve around a church. Call me a fascist or whatever the hell you want, my views are set on stone. Thank you for this. The truth is that Armenians are actually more varied. Feeling offended is ridiculous. It pushed me away for nearly 20 years, but I came back wiser and more confident. In that sense, if you are born an Armenian you are an Armenian, period. Sadly, all the true Armenians died fighting Turkish tyranny. It made me create an installation with that subject. I happen to know the family of this young person. I’ll take my lumps based on my words and actions. “White people” and even if and when they do learn about the Armenian experience they’ll quickly de-prioritize our pain and struggles from consideration. Armenian, member of a people with an ancient culture originally from the region known as Armenia. I beg you to define what you consider as “culture” and how you plan preserve that “culture” for the future generations without even knowing the Armenian language. You were supposed to be stable and safe, we didn’t pick up and abandon our lives to live under you, only to be laid siege to as right wing oppressors… (survivors of genocide at that) I mean seriously, my family fled radical Islamic tyranny and now to be rightfully weary of tolerance for Islam we are labeled fascists…? I wasn?t in an Armenian stronghold like Los Angeles, but a relatively large community was in proximity. I’d like to see them judge the perhaps strained behavior of California if say… The ottomans invaded [California] and stole half the state. Whoever says that the fact that our ancestors spoke only Turkish is a reason to outlaw the Armenian language in the identity formation is dumb enough to forget that they were forced to speak a language that Ottoman authorities can understand (or else they would have their tongues cut) and they lived in the Homeland, hence no comparison between today’s Diaspora Armenians and the Armenians of the past millennia is eligible. Step 1, Use "barev'" for "hello". These people are the real heroes of our culture who are holding our nation together, and it is an insult for diaspora youth to go into their own country and judge them as “wrong” when they’ve done the same to you, because you’re in their country not the other way around. Going to Armenian school was good enough to teach me how to read the language, but it was mostly a foreign code I could not crack. Those are the towns and villages my ancestors inhabited for centuries before their forced resettlement. Yes, extreme because it doesn’t make sense and anything that is far from logical is extreme and a person holding that idea is an extremist. Visit our website and master Armenian! Whenever someone asks me if I’m Armenian, I answer: not today. Your views are “set IN stone” . You’ll also find speakers of Eastern Armenian in the Russian Federation, the Republic of Georgia, Iran, and the Republic of Artsakh. It’s just the Armenian version of Jim Crow. Armenians constitute the main population of Armenia and the de facto independent Artsakh. A person may still be keeping their faith in whichever way he or she feel brings them closer to God. Sizeable populations are found outside Armenia as well. Hair: usually either light brown, medium brown, dark brown or black. The majority of Armenians have dark brown or black hair with hazel or brown eyes, but you will also come across Armenian people who have blonde, light brown, or red hair, and green or blue eyes. Now I believe my convicton and resolve to go deeper into all aspects of my Armenian identity are in part an answer to the challenge set by those who underestimated me or judged me unfairly. 3 : a member of the Armenian … Armenian civilization has been a race to the bottom ever since the first person who claimed to be an Armenian. Have you ever seen some pictures of Armenian people? I know a few Armenian girls, they look like them. And I find that the argument ‘you’re Armenian if you feel it in your heart’ to be superfluous, over-emotional, erronous and extreme. It does not help build stronger Armenian Diaspora communities, and it is not acceptable. Perhaps a better question would be, How do you measure identity? You know what… American Left… you’re right, we are ‘fascists’, ‘nazis’ (ROFL bc the Turks are actual Nazis, they just have better PR and manners than Germany ever did) and all the other names you want to use, go right ahead. I can even say that the author’s mentality represents the typical delusional mentality of the Armenian youth living in the diaspora. Just don’t expect any help or sympathy when you finally meet the business end of tyrannical Islam. Folau's NRL bid slammed by former Test teammate. Here, we’ll tell you everything about how to find an Armenian wife! However, the opposite could also happen. We, a small ethnic community, are capable of doing better, and we do in fact know differently than the taxi driver I had in Armenia. I don?t know? Well said And, with your permission I will read your article to my students – Master’s in public and international affairs. Azerbaijan opens Military Trophies Park memorializing its war crimes, Rebirth and Revival: A conversation with filmmaker Jivan Avetisyan. Armenian was my first language, but over time my knowledge of it atrophied due to lack of use. So while we’re throwing out babies with bathwater, there goes the “melting pot” baby as well, though admittedly that one was somewhat noble, too bad you couldn’t make it happen American Left, and yes you DID kill it (we’re still trying to figure out why). Besides, you stated that “It [judgmental attitude] does not help build stronger Armenian Diaspora communities, and it is not acceptable.” Though I am against any kind of prejudice, please understand that an Armenian diaspora community won’t get stronger if you don’t know the language either, it even gets weaver with every generation. You look Turkish.? nice article, made me cry and feel homesick…… thank you! The emphasis on proficiency of language is misplaced. Male flowers will bloom and hopefully “bee” visited by a pollinator to pass the pollen onto the female flower, then wither and fall off. TL;DR In the American sphere few or no non-Armenians care about you (Yes you Ani) or your Armenian concerns; most of the time they won’t even be able to tell you are different from either their projected evil i.e. I thought I was having an auditory hallucination. Our youth might think that “they are being modern” by adopting these liberal ideas by, I’m sorry to say, indoctrination, and now are trying to “look cool” by trying to change our traditional culture, instead of… very simply… following its norms. It is absolutely sickening to say someone does not deserve to identify as Armenian based on those points. I had a similar experience in Yerevan. At 10, I joined the Armenian Youth Federation (AYF). Others will denounce her declared Armenian identity because of other choices she has made in her life. I thought about all the times other Armenians made me feel bad about not speaking fluent Armenian, even though my name is Ani and I “look so Armenian,” as if that is some sort of inspirational wisdom. work. While vacationing in the United States recently, once again my Armenian radar was on high alert. I want to be one of the voices within our community that says, “We are all Armenians and let’s rejoice!” Does anyone want to join this chorus? I’m still open and friendly to all sorts of Armenians (and people in general for that matter (yes even muslims, namely Iranians), I am a real liberal after all; the fascistic insanity of the left be damned) but I’m also quick to judge those who have deserted us, those who do not worry at night because they have no friends in Tavush who tell of the sounds of artillery shells coming from Azerbaijan; those whose hearts do not beat heavily with an ache to help their own people. Second, think about one’s choice of partner. Lack of Armenian language skills on the part of US citizens clearly creates a very high barrier to participation in life in Armenia, and participation in communities in other parts of the diaspora. Cultural output reached its height in the 14th century, though a resurgence in literary output led to a national awakening in the 19th century. I smiled to the woman and she smiled back. Height: Armenian girls tend to not be so tall. Here we will teach you: How to say Hello! If this was the case thirty years ago, maybe you would have an excuse, but we live in a century in which we can get any kind of information whenever we want, be it from online resources or by simply purchasing a book about a topic that interests us online. I’m an Armenian once bitten twice shy, thank you very much. At that moment, he could tell I was not a local. Also, forgive me, but no one gives a shit whether you “identify yourself as Armenian” or are “Armenian in heart”, quit your emotional bullshit and be realistic; it’s how you contribute to your race that matters, and if you don’t even know the language, you can’t contribute anyhow. Our struggles and oppression are so distant to the american-left’s reality that they have no capacity to grasp the experience of our people and nation let alone interpret the actions it [Armenia] takes in order to survive (free of The Turks). Covid relief bill back on track afer Senate impasse broken. As I thanked her for helping us, she asked in proper English with an accent from the Caucasus: ?Where are you from?? However, once I do find myself in a new city or town, identifying other Armenians is not as obvious as it may seem. So, there are no chances to find Armenian women for marriage there. Again, are you saying that counts for nothing? Because they know the limits of cultural identity and when they get assimilated to another culture they understand it and accept it unlike these proclaimed Armenians who justify themselves only through maternal or paternal or both’s heritage and don’t want to lose their identity. From my Armenian friend who looks Irish but speaks fluent Armenian, to an ?Armenian-looking? These ridiculous people now have a chart about the dozens of genders one can be, and “it is sexist to call a newborn as either boy or girl” now. In Armenian, I asked, “What?”. Basically, American culture itself, is in flux and subject to the victors of the culture war in America. In the end, Armenian or not, we are after all human. Diversity was not respected like it is today. ArmenianBridal.com. That’s why so many Syrians, Lebanese, Jews, Turks, etc “look Armenian”, but it’s not the other way around as you are suggesting. I’m not writing to go on about any other celebrity, or to give a textbook definition of identity. Oh how I hate politics. 1 hour ago. My ability to read and write Armenian followed a similar path. Perhaps. People take family history as a reason to enhance their memory in order to never forget the tragedy. Rejecting Armenian children borne of marriages to non-Armenians weakens the ethnic nation, accepting them strengthens it. Some people look at Kim Kardashian and are proud that she visited Armenia, tweets every now and then about the Armenian Genocide, and wrote an article in The New York Times. I think we can all relate to this conversation: Whatever the response, it may lead to either positive or negative feelings. Less stress, the degree of anonymity that often comes with landing in a new spot, and a slower pace, combined with landscapes offered by nature, allow for us to decompress, re-group, and re-connect with ourselves. Excellent article. With the Armenian Keyboard Online, you can write all Armenian Alphabet, letters, and words. I doubt I could sway their opinions, but maybe others with less rigid belief systems might want to consider some alternative viewpoints on the matter: 1. I know this because I am Armenian and short. Let’s not make Silva Kaputikyan crawl in her tomb. Have you or any of us saw a french being a proud Gaulois when he/she doesn’t speak the french language? I think posts on this site that engage in excessive personal attacks probably get deleted, and sometimes one does not intend to be ‘racist’ but others can perceive it that way as well. Hell the huffington post is happy to brand our homeland as a Russian colony. However, I am aware of judgments made of these same non-Armenian spouses coming from my own Armenian community. I’m glad this dialogue is out in the open. Your email address will not be published. We know, as Americans, that given our different upbringings we should respect and treat one another equally and try not to judge. We spoke in Armneian. You see, the war for our survival never ended Ani, you have been told a lie, history never ended in the 20th century. The capital is Yerevan. And this is the problem of all pro Ani and anti Ani readers and commenters: who is and who is not Armenian is a delusional exercise in futility. In other words the “melting pot” is dead and gone gone from the leftist discourse, and the “salad bowl” is no place for an Armenian to seek alliances, for it is a tumultuous battleground complete with ethnic tensions and historical American grievances; none of them related to Armenia. I volunteer my time in a variety of ways for Armenian organization, including in my professional capacity as a healthcare provider. Sirdus hye eh (my heart is Armenian), I thought to myself. Go see Stepanakert and Shushi! We all know the United States puts much more acculturation pressure on newcomers than most other nations in the Armenian Diaspora. Must have been the same taxi driver. By Lalai Manjikian. Armenians (Armenian: հայեր, hayer) are an ethnic group native to the Armenian Highlands of Western Asia. Mexican? Again, I appreciate the author’s articulate thoughts. I agree wholeheartedly – and judging by the comments here, Ani’s article has generated a much-needed conversation! You are an Armenian who all Armenians should be proud to call Armenian. Weighing and measuring someone else’s Armenianness is a clear sign of self loathing and worse. My maternal grandparents are, after all, from Anatolia. I’ve finally managed to get my hands on a copy. Ignore the “gatekeepers” who love to judge who gets to be Armenian. I AM Armenian, as is my husband, but my Armenian language skills are very limited, at best! There is a wide-ranging diaspora of around 5 million people of full or partial Armenian ancestry living outside modern Armenia. I was born in Iran, to Armenian parents, revolution there caused us to flee to America (what is it with our people constantly having to flee from the violence of other nations, I’m fed up with this shit). But that doesn’t matter. Eastern Armenian is the official language of the Republic of Armenia. The guys did not die in vain. Yes, you most certainly have my permission to read this article to your students. Like an Eskimo living in Tahiti. It’s a useful strategy. You make an excellent point on the issue of Armenia identity in diaspora. Almost 100 years ago, more than 1 million people died in the midst of the Armenian genocide. Now you can’t say they’re not Armenians, but let us agree that culture and history are not the same. Nonetheless, I often feel out of place at Armenian social events because of my inability to communicate in Armenian. “…people can express and should express, when they’re a minority in a single opinionated discussion, everything that they feel or want to say even the most…” **********. Which is kind of the point isn’t it? Thanks Lori, I agree with you. This is how any given society with its associated culture gets destroyed, and for us Armenians, it is no different. DearDorothy, I said hello back and he immediately interjected with ?Hye es?? Love your recipes, trying to get in touch. 29 Beautiful Photos Of Armenians Around The World. There may be a higher chance of their family being involved in Armenian-related activities if both partners are Armenian. So, the Internet still keeps being the best place to search for a bride. or ?She has to be Armenian.? Having said that, I have found most taxi drivers to be quite nice and have in fact met very good people, guess what, I’ve also met some parasitic people too. Because if I stumbled on my words, the other students would giggle. Ko mayr lezoun tchi moranass. Over the past two years, I have learned more Armenian, and am able to understand more conversations happening around me than before. By the time my friend and I reached the parking lot, I realized that the woman at the grocery store was not far off at all with her comment on me looking Turkish. Don't confuse Armenian with Mexican, it is not the same or related at all. It really is sad that we’re even thinking about “measuring identity”, you either are what you are or you’re not. Arabic, Persian,Armenians have big eyes Turks have almond smallish eyes. Afterward, I will tell you what I believe it means…, First, look at an individual’s community involvement. I grew up speaking Armenian and like Ani, drifted into the political rubric of the american left. Google's free service instantly translates words, phrases, and web pages between English and over 100 other languages. There is no metric that measures Armenian-ness. My Armenian friend (whose mother has both Scottish and Irish ancestry) and I were at a grocery store checkout line. Growing up, Armenian was not spoken in my house. This event initiated a longer series of arrests that resulted in the imprisonment, relocation, and/or murder of countless notable Armenians across the Ottoman Empire over the course of the subsequent months. The issue of identity comes up regularly with young multicultural students. In any case, let’s dissect the disputed topic of Armenian identity. Whichever way a person identifies, accept it. Proper English. I was determined that it be my own decision to visit Armenia and experience what it means to “be Armenian.” In brief, this trip was so moving that I spent much of my free time the following year reading about Armenian history and language to really understand where my people came from. We look into lots of small and great things to make sure the coziness and steadiness of our services for every user: man and beautiful Armenian woman. You look Armenian, your eyes maybe.? Welcome to the desert of the real (as Morpheus would say). Being Armenian is meaningless without living in historical Armenia. They were right, and I am thankful now that I am older. Anonymous. Both types of flowers are yellow. Scarred by war, Armenian veterans look warily to the future More than 300 veterans are undergoing treatment at the Centre for the Rehabilitation of the Homeland's Defenders in Yerevan. Critical judgments about non-Armenian spouses will only hurt the Armenian Diaspora as they alienate these families and fragment our own people. So the chance that I would run into other Armenians was not impossible but less likely compared to other cities or regions. As members of the American-Armenian Diaspora, we do not live in a homogenous society. All in all, culture is partly retained by the literature and literature is retained by the language. It’s silly to even posit such a scenario, so utterly safe are they from such threats. We should look at one another and see the things we have in common—not judge one another based on the differences. The most famous Armenian woman today is arguably Kim Kardashian.Her father, Robert Kardashian, was the great-grandson of Armenian Genocide survivors.There is also Cher, who was famous during the 1970s. But Harutyunyan's native Martakert district has remained under Armenian control and he says he hopes to return there one day with his family. For those recent immigrants to the US, or even those in the first generation born here, I can only say this – before you cast the first stone, let’s see how your children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren turn out, and then we can talk about who the real Armenians are. article -thoughtfully and correctly analyzed! I find that such associations were perhaps more reliable in the past. To judge another person as Armenian or not, solely based on any of the abovementioned elements, reflects ignorance and disrespect. Why are other people deciding what she is and is not? Today, however, the fragmented and hybridized reality we live in throughout the diaspora debunks the so-called claim of ?looking Armenian.? I speak Armenian fluently but I do not read or write it. So, if you are Armenian, or if you are not, the only thing important is what is inside your heart. 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